6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. HOME SERMONS ARTICLES CONTACT ABOUT US: Preacher's Ponderings. One man Hanserd Knolleys, is an example of dissenter of the Church of England who had to flee to America. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). Members are encouraged to post contact information for such churches. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. Independent churches have no organized organization over them in authority. So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. People sin, and people attend churches. People who study dont fall so easily for false teaching. So just these few examples demonstrate why many people, including me have a hard time understanding this ancient translation. 3. That means every church service must provide a time for people to come to Christ. Every activity, every thing we do, needs to uplift King Jesus, and it must allow for winning precious people to our Lord. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? I do attend the Church of Christ. A church only has authority to set guidelines on dress as it is addressed in Scripture. One of the best sources I have found concerning His nature, the Nature of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is at the following link: Gayle Erwin does a wonderful teaching on the nature of God. I liken this to attending a Bible study without your Bible. He said from the pulpit, No one ever asked me if I was a Christian while out in public! Im thinking thats not a good thing. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. Where the pastors power is total? . The message is set. Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! Matthew 7:1&2, Judge not, that ye be not judged. It originally applied through the 1700s to Lutherans, and Anglicans. It was founded by Roger Williams, according to the teachings and example of the New Testament. In the many books on church history which make up the bibliography for this paper, there is not one recorded incident of a Baptist church beginning founded out of Roman Catholicism. I have also spend a good bit of down time ruminating over my beliefs of my church, and the fallacies of their theology. KJV Church Directory. It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. Have a look at Matthew 15. I humbly asked a question. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. My mother is divorced, as are a few others in the congregation. It was not founded because a line of Baptist churches down through history. Baptists are not Protestants! Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. 601 1ST AVE SE . Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. My question would be: When has anyone ever given 10% to GOD. It more often then none goes to the support building, supplies, salaries of a ministry under the leadership of usually a man., Excellent book on the subject is Should the Church Teach Tithing by Russell Kelly, http://www.truthforfree.com/files/PDF/REK-Tithing3.pdf. I chose to focus on the doctrine of separation as typically understood by Independent Baptists (I was one). However, bottom lineJesus never shared but truth to all incl Phairsees so if His position on tithing was as being not to be left undonethan I believe it stands as something that is good to do, pleasing to God. Benedict in his history of the Baptists states the Gospel was preached in Britain within sixty years of the Lords return to heaven. Also, from personal expreicnei know how it feels to be spirtually abused. Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. I suppose I should have asked a couple of questions first, to which group of The Church of Christ are you referring? I still attend a tiny (20-30 on Sunday) Baptist Church, and yes it is IFB. @bob Furthermore I believe it involved religion. Since she has a place of her own now I dont see her as much as I like but I wont shun her because she left. Catholicsm is beyond a denomination & a religious institution with some Christian tenants. My responsibility is to preach the Word. I agree! Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. Baptists strongly insist that Gods Word is not up for arbitration or subject to the individuals, groups, denominations or churchs private interpretation. Visit Pinterests profile on Pinterest. I should have or you should have? Found you after all this time!!! I understand what you are saying about these kind of messages with strong emotional appeals. I would prefer just wearing casual clothes like I do just about every time. Do you think you can bring others to Christ in this manner? Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. But God knows his heart. They all hold to a system of hierarchy in church government and do not accept the autonomy the local church. You have it backwards. Ask these five questions of any church, and if they can answer all five in truth with a yes, then you will have a true Baptist church. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. WHAT IS AN INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST CHURCH? My statement about folks not studying and just sitting in the pew and listening to the MOG, was not addressed to you specifically, but to folks generally, you wouldnt agree to this? 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word "officer" is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. this is a great book research on cultist church 2 talking about this. This would explain the abrasiveness with which you deliver what should be the most joyous information of the Gospel of Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. God knows if he ever accepted Jesus Christ as his Saviour. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. I find your post rather disturbing, but what I find most disturbing is your use of scripture. So many churches have lost wonderful ministry opportunties by turning away those hurting, divorced folks, its a shame, God help us all to be sensitive to those who are hurting all around us. HWY 3 NW. Grace Independent Chapel Size: Medium church 126 Airport Rd Shamokin, PA. Loving Fellowship Baptist Church . Thanks and may God bless. That godly Deacon, so righteous on the outside, may have deep dark unrepentant sins no one know about. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. 1.) I know of no place in scripture where a tithe is ever money! In 1995 the group reported 69,857 members and 670 congregations. G.L. WHICH BIBLE YOU USE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE! PASTOR PAUL DYCK. // ]]> Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, 42. This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. I made a very similar forgiveness plea on facebook just yesterday, asking all to forgive me if I had ever legalistically stepped on them. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. I am personally done with religion If asked what religion I am, my standard answer is christian even though I am still attending a little Baptist Church. 3. Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. Remember new testament christians are never compelled to give mandatory gifts, if you have been taught that, you have been taught wrong. Blessings & againIm so sorry you were hurt like that you & your family. Back in England these men, on returning to England, formed the first recorded Baptist church on English soil. Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. The crime of these men was that they believed the Bible was Gods Truth, and rejected dictates of false churches and men. These five distinctive beliefs separate the true Baptists from other groups who have mistakenly taken the name Baptist and all non New Testament churches such as the Protestants. Yes, I knew the life he led, and there was nothing externally that suggested he was anything but a vile sinner who was never saved. He said he could tell because I had a joyful spirit. [CDATA[ For IFB churches, most use this as a baseline in their giving with II Cor 9:7 for guiding in the heart of giving. Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. They direct their own affairs under the authority of the New Testament Scriptures, free from the outside interference. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? I would either be kicked out or asked to put on something to wear. Pastors tiptoe around specific sins so not to offend. 78. I can relate i was in a IFB church, glad to be out. Dress codes are not the problems. Just some thoughts. That will suffice. As far as I recall no church ever told me must. I found a load of stuff about people who claim certain Calvarly Chapels misueded them & did not know Bible & also on ehere in Maryland has a onliune tithe on website! I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. John was beheaded by Herod (Matt. Ministry experience: Over thirty years of experience in Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches, serving in . If you dont already, try it some time. Independent, Fundamental, King James, Mission Minded Our Service Times Are: Sunday Morning Worship -. The loved me and cared for my" Again, its not about how we dress, but about who we are. Sorry to tell you, but youve been deceived. They believe that when the Book of Revelation was completed by the Apostle John about 90-95 AD, the Word of God was complete. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. Is this really what youre doing here? In answer your assumptions about me. All others miss-use the name. Finally, I think you have some anger issues. CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. The Dutch colony of New York for a time persecuted Baptists within its territories. 6. Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. We never shun people who leave the church. Right down to exactly a tenth. Read More. If that were the case, Paul left out the most important person/position in addressing the Phillipian saints. A comprehensive Independent Baptist Church Directory listing over 8000 churches. I understand all that. Comprized of many nationalities and backgrounds, the secret of successat CR, is that this is a Bible Chuch revolving around King Jesus. Select church size. The cops accused them of urinating in the water. A church which cannot answer yes to all of these questions cannot historically call itself a Baptist church. At any rate, logical fallacies dont need to be in or out of context to be called logical fallacies. The local pastor is the shepherd (Heb. First anytime a mans name is attached to a system of theology my antennae go way up, think Campbell, Calvin, Arminius, Smith etc. I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. Everyone in the colony was automatically a member of the State church and were taxed to support it. If it furthers & advances the Kingdom of God (the Church, Evangelism, Missionaries, etc), then I believe it is going to God. To distinguish oneself from every other believer in the Body of Christ by either a doctrine, a practice, or a person is not scriptural, as the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians. Yes, we do preach not to be unequally yolked with non-belivers and I agree with that. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. Now when the head of a church & all dem that fall in line must appply apsotast (like openly Gay Pastor, etc) than you should have some of them on here big. (P.S. It is an important part of the church. I usually look fwd to these. I apologize for my assumptions! So I still think Just about every Church has Strict dress Standards whether they know it or not. Thats all. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. I commented that some of the teen girls were dressed entirely innappropriately with tiny shorts, which were very immodest, so there certainly should be a standard for modesty. Steve must have been on vacation or something. So wonderful to hear you are making progress in your spiritual journey. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. Many Baptist churches have Trustees, but their position was established in order to have legal signatories to sign legal documents of the church. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Most Baptist churches were in the past founded on the sound doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, however, many of them have in varying degrees drifted away from many of the teachings of the Scriptures. He states there were Baptists in England 1400 AD. The not so fine folks at Westboro Baptist are a bunch of lunatic fringe haters that act in contrast to the love of Christ they espouse to embrace. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? Salvation: It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. I think you are confusing ceremonial law with moral law. I do however disagree with anyone mandating that a tenth should go to them & to the church as they see fit only (like giving some to other Christiann Ministries, some to local churche , etc) or that even mandates a tithe. Someone, somewhere has hurt you. (For a explanation of the biblical role of deacons please go to http://bible-truth.org/deacon.html, The pastor of the church is called by majority vote of the congregation. The point is Jesus not only did not condem it but He said it should not have been left undone. He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. If your church does teach the following then watch out, you are probably in a manipulating extreme IFB church situation. Sounds like maybe you are in a pretty good church. If you want to be under law, you need to keep all 613 commandments of the Mosaic law. KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA . p.s. It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. Desire your best & healing in Lord Jesus if not. I think that you should go kill your children. If other will share. Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. From there, entering into an IFB church really gave me a culture shock. Robert Fry - Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception; 75. Filter Churches. It is the Word of God, the Bible, that makes up what is a real and true church! An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. I feel silly because some of the things I stood up for on this site are the same things that made me leave. They tried to establish that according to history, Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ. The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. The person, John the Baptist. So what is the solution? Jesus statement to the Pharisees about tithing would not apply to you because you are not a Jew under the Mosaic Law. 13:8-10). Total. Baptism is an outward sign of an inward decision and has nothing to do with your salvation. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. Although, they were not as corrupt as the Church of England, they still practiced a strict ritual of church service, a state church, and among other things, infant baptism. In examining many so-called early Baptist churches you find many doctrinal errors and false teaching. Rachael God bless you!! Shady Acres Baptist Church August Campmeeting; All purchases through OUR BOOKSTORE & RESOURCES TAB cover the cost of operating the KJV church directory thereby making the site totally FREE and never asking for donation help. Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. He returned to Salem where he was summoned before the court in Boston because of his outspoken beliefs and was banished from the colony. My point (and I just found Scripture) was that Jesus did not disnounce it as badHe says (less I misunderstand) these you ought to have done without leaving the rest undone.
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